tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post3679912936305362506..comments2023-04-01T13:04:41.587-04:00Comments on Angie the Anti-Theist: Senseless TragedyAngie Jacksonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04739748828902693432noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-65536090307518179402009-10-09T12:07:39.819-04:002009-10-09T12:07:39.819-04:00Home birth is a real nightmare. My sister and I h...Home birth is a real nightmare. My sister and I had our kids only 4 months apart. I had a 98 hour hospital labor with several necessary interventions, and at the end a healthy baby boy (9/10 on APGAR infant health test). Then a couple months later my sister had her planned home birth, which lasted 125 hours. For one whole day my niece's head was stuck in my sister's pelvis, and she Angie Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04739748828902693432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-63723345891766813452009-10-09T11:51:04.230-04:002009-10-09T11:51:04.230-04:00Thank you for talking about this. Too many people...Thank you for talking about this. Too many people seem to be way too willing to sweep this kind of behavior under the rug. I have one relative in particular who insists that it is a mother's right to do whatever the heck she wants to her children and it would be too much of a bother to stop this kind of abuse what with all the Christians crying persecution.<br /><br />I wasn't a member AnonyMousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-9344017196260760532009-08-22T20:34:08.478-04:002009-08-22T20:34:08.478-04:00I had a full blood allergy analysis done for my so...I had a full blood allergy analysis done for my son when he was an infant, for both food and environmental allergies, so I already knew that he wasn't allergic. <br /><br />Angie - I'm a doctor with wide experience of anaphylactic shock. There is no blood test that guarantees your child is safe from allergy. Usually - and particularly in the case if stings, you need a first exposure to FionaWhttp://fionawallace.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-9174276322897872062009-08-02T13:49:46.150-04:002009-08-02T13:49:46.150-04:00okay, I see. So I take it you were very much goin...okay, I see. So I take it you were very much going with the flow without rabidly participating religiously?Daniel Finckehttp://www.camelswithhammers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-15151374591466311262009-08-02T10:56:24.613-04:002009-08-02T10:56:24.613-04:00@Daniel. Well, we went to other churches the whole...@Daniel. Well, we went to other churches the whole time. My grandmother had followers all across the country, and many in Australia as well (weird, I know). So people would attend church or have "home church" in their own areas, but follow her teachings for their lives. She didn't actually want to micromanage people; she just wanted to give dictates from on high and have them Angie Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04739748828902693432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-45093793090131679332009-08-02T00:44:58.516-04:002009-08-02T00:44:58.516-04:00So blatantly homicidal negligence is no longer cri...So blatantly homicidal negligence is no longer criminal? you have to deliberately intend to kill? That's enraging!<br /><br />Were you in the cult to the end or were you in a more mainstream kind of Christianity in recent years? Was that a previous switch over?<br /><br />I'm glad you made it out---if you ever need philosophical help, be in touch.Daniel Finckehttp://www.camelswithhammers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-62203789415788348892009-08-01T21:46:59.566-04:002009-08-01T21:46:59.566-04:00@Heidi - Thanks. Now if we can just get the other...@Heidi - Thanks. Now if we can just get the other 6 billion people on board...Angie Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04739748828902693432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-47121280896889401662009-08-01T21:46:26.989-04:002009-08-01T21:46:26.989-04:00@Daniel - The judge set things up in the parents&#...@Daniel - The judge set things up in the parents' favor by telling jurists to only vote guilty if they believed the parents *intended* for their boy to die.<br /><br />And yes, I'm a very new atheist :) My 3yo kid was actually baptized, but he hasn't been in a church for over two years now.<br /><br />My grandmother is in a care home, with Alzheimer's. Occasionally I call her upAngie Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04739748828902693432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-38642037854642530502009-08-01T21:35:45.612-04:002009-08-01T21:35:45.612-04:00What a horrible story. How did they get off from...What a horrible story. How did they get off from criminal charges? What was their argument? Was anyone ever put away? <br /><br />And did I read you correctly---did you really become an atheist only in the last 16 months?? Is your grandmother still around?Daniel Finckehttp://camelswithhammers.com/2009/06/24/objections-to-religious-moderates-and-intellectuals/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-7234673447228249922009-08-01T03:15:51.027-04:002009-08-01T03:15:51.027-04:00Angie, I am so sorry for what you went through in ...Angie, I am so sorry for what you went through in this cult. I'm glad you survived it.Heidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10774743902893292141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-13992949488029949612009-08-01T00:12:57.245-04:002009-08-01T00:12:57.245-04:00@Secular FL - Thanks. The internet played a huge r...@Secular FL - Thanks. The internet played a huge role in it. Actually, it was doing a Google search on my grandma's name that did started me down the path to atheism; that was March 2008.<br /><br />@Kitty - I don't even know if his parents tried something as simple and non-medical as that. Sometimes people got very weird about not intervening at all physically, and only having faith inAngie Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04739748828902693432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-57900818692065361692009-08-01T00:01:55.490-04:002009-08-01T00:01:55.490-04:00It is a difficult thing to shake off, but you have...It is a difficult thing to shake off, but you have, and you should be proud. It is sad that these things happen, and bittersweet when someone breaks free.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05617917894837004221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-81140237956529751692009-07-31T16:31:53.065-04:002009-07-31T16:31:53.065-04:00Angie,
I remember this story, and I was sad for th...Angie,<br />I remember this story, and I was sad for the poor kid who suffered at the hands of those who were responsible for his welfare.<br />Call it a fine line, a slippery slope, whatever you want, but it's really just plain ignorance makes folks do this... blind faith is ignorance.<br /><br />(for a normal bee sting, after removing the stinger use baking soda on the wound. It draws out Kittyhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Kittynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-35733630282458699942009-07-31T14:13:27.049-04:002009-07-31T14:13:27.049-04:00Yes Irena, you're thinking of the right family...Yes Irena, you're thinking of the right family. And they did get off on criminal charges, although it did go to trial. This is just one story; there are dozens that I know of, and probably more that I don't.<br /><br />1-5 children dies a month in the US alone due to religious medical neglect.Angie Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04739748828902693432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-2415981316853598782009-07-31T13:57:51.319-04:002009-07-31T13:57:51.319-04:00I read about this when I wrote a report on faith h...I read about this when I wrote a report on faith healing / child abuse in university. And I remember that this family got off because these actions were entirely legal in Florida and forty-five other states. Didn't this family also neglect to report the death of another child in the sect?Irena Reznikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11440327834702360442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-12709768178038708672009-07-31T13:47:41.359-04:002009-07-31T13:47:41.359-04:00@Hump. They parents were arrested and brought to ...@Hump. They parents were arrested and brought to trial, but the judge informed the jury that they were only supposed to convict them if they felt the parents *intended* for him to die. So they got off. My grandma got some bad press for this, and for other deaths I'll be posting up here soon.<br /><br />@Larry. You're assuming the central leader was Jesus, but it was really my Giggy.Angie Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04739748828902693432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-31420985091342999982009-07-31T11:33:43.449-04:002009-07-31T11:33:43.449-04:00I heard after my son's sting from a few people...I heard after my son's sting from a few people that rubbing tobacco (like from a cigarette) onto a sting will release the poison, but I'll have to wait for the next sting to test that one out. Yellow Jackets do leave their stingers in, which ultimately had a lot to do with "Alexander's" death. 432 stingers in a 25 lbs. kid. <br /><br />It's not like I blame his Angie Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04739748828902693432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-9782382261785098082009-07-31T09:18:30.890-04:002009-07-31T09:18:30.890-04:00Strong stuff, Angie.Strong stuff, Angie.Mig22https://www.blogger.com/profile/02473124973568977233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-19826246796134935882009-07-31T05:11:13.250-04:002009-07-31T05:11:13.250-04:00Larry Carter Center posting:
Insurance compani...Larry Carter Center posting: <br /> Insurance companies kill. <br /> Faith kills. Ignorance kills. <br /> I too know of innocents who did not have to die. The word "cult" is not strong enough, is not explicit enough to describe the evil loyalties religion brainwashes into the stupid brains of believers. <br /> Blind devotion to a central leader living or having Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-10677150180702250342009-07-31T04:17:49.989-04:002009-07-31T04:17:49.989-04:00Angie,
Horrfying. Is the reason there was no sens...Angie,<br />Horrfying. Is the reason there was no sense of urgency because they were unaware of the danger, or entirely because they "put their faith in prayer"? <br /><br />Was it lack of knowledge, or misplaced trust in their religion that allowed that little boy to die?<br /><br />And were there no legal reprocussions / investigation by the authorities, no findings of neglect or Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-57653205512627386552009-07-31T03:40:09.392-04:002009-07-31T03:40:09.392-04:00I'd swear I remember reading about that when i...I'd swear I remember reading about that when it happened. (We get a couple of Florida papers here.) When your book comes out I'll definitely grab a few copies for myself and friends/family.<br /><br />Sorry your son had an encounter with one of the stingy things that live down here. It sounds more like a honeybee than a yellowjacket though. They're about the only thing that leaves theJoeyhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Joey74noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7994060231405726506.post-57246768285096971162009-07-31T01:08:29.790-04:002009-07-31T01:08:29.790-04:00This is hard to read because of my natural impulse...This is hard to read because of my natural impulse to protect the weak. I can't wait for the book.Mojoeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06541458916641472505noreply@blogger.com